Friday, 21 April 2023

Thin Ice: Ranking - 201

 Thin Ice 

(Series 10, Dr 12 with Bill, 29/4/2017, showrunner; Steven Moffat, writer: Sarah Dollard, director: Bill Anderson) 

'Are you going to London's Frost Fairs?
Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Fishflakes
Remember me to one who lives under the ice
She once was some fuel of mine'

Ranking: 201





 

Or ‘The Beast Really Below’ as they should have called it. Rather neatly the Moffat era nearly ends with a story that so closely mirrors where it nearly started, with another story about a massive whale-type creature in captivity at the whims of its very Human captors. Admittedly it’s in a story that’s set in the depths of the Thames in the past rather than deep space in the future and features one posh racist idiot rather than a corrupt regime, but it’s a very similar story that leads to the same debate of Bill ‘choosing’ to let it free or stay ignorant just the way Clara did. What with ‘A Christmas Carol’ as well it’s truly how odd many of the Moffat stories revolve around big sea creatures either under the water or in the air and makes me wonder if he used to ponder his script ideas over a fish and chip supper. Is this a story worth telling twice? Yes, mostly. Sarah Dollard has a very different feel to Moffat, telling a very simple (some would say slow) tale rather than one full of character and debate rather than mystery and jumpscares so that this sequel just about has a life of its own. It’s also a warm tale about cold people in Victorian England (in every way that sentence can be taken) rather than a cold tale about a society only pretending to be warm (as per ‘Beast’). Even so, this story is walking on ‘thin ice’ in many regards, just about getting away with the sense of déjà vu while the best bits all come from what’s ‘new’.


 Let’s start with how this episode looks: amazing. London in the 19th century should be old hat by now but we’ve never had a ‘Frostfair’ before and the sight of an impressive amount of extras dressed in Victorian finery ice-skating and doing acrobatics and selling meat pies in 1814 is a whole new image the series has never done before. Though the Thames being frozen over had been mentioned in the series before (in Moffat’s ‘A Good Man Goes To War’ and a whole Big Finish story, see the ‘prequels/sequels’ column) it’s nice to actually see it and was the suggestion of Dollard herself, having researched the era thoroughly for her friend Lili Wilkinson’s book ‘Scatterheart’ (2007), about a rich girl who loses everything and gets deported to Australia also set in 1814 (main character Hannah has much the same naiveté and innocence than Bill but not the curiosity or the big heart). The sense of the ordinary turned into the extraordinary is very Dr Who and looks magnificent. How did they manage to recreate the Thames being frozen? (Specifically the stretch from Blackfriars Bridge to New Lime Wharf). I’ve looked it up on a few sites and nowhere tells me where this was filmed, which makes me think it’s a studio set with CGI added in the background, but if so then it’s one of the most convincing uses of it in the series. You totally believe that you are there and looking back in time. I mean, there’s even an elephant at one point – an elephant! It’s all true too by the way, it’s not like the set dresser suddenly went a bit mad – it was a Victorian era stunt to show how thick and safe the ice was. It seems unlikely, to say the least, that The Thames will ever freeze over again thanks to industry and global warming so alas it’s probably as close as any of us will ever come to being there at the real thing.


This is also the single most Dickensian Dr Who story – despite being technically set in late Regency period rather than Victorian times and yes, even compared to ‘The Unquiet Dead’ which actually has Dickens in it! Other stories set in this same period have touched on the inequality between classes but it tends to be s background detail: ‘Thin Ice’ is all about a different world that could have been. Not just freeing ‘Tiny’ from the ice and showing kindness, but the way the ‘Frostfairs’ were pretty much the only time the lower and upper classes ever rubbed shoulders, all of them enjoying the spectacle of ice-covered London in their own ways. We see the penniless and starving, terrified of ending up at the workhouse, trying to scratch out a living while the posh boys live off their family money and hoard it all. It’s a story that both laughs and cries at the discrepancies of the day in a Dickens way, with a moral ending that helps the poor and condemns the rich. You might have noticed that we’ve had a lot of Victorian stories in the Moffat era (there were only ever three in the ‘classic’ era): I don’t think that’s a coincidence. This was the era of David Cameron’s ‘austerity’ measures, when a monster from a posh Eton school started taking away from those in society who had next to nothing in order to give more money to his rich mates. He’s the true villain, stealing money and liberty in a way that should get him locked up but which only seems to bring him more prestige, while those stealing to try and get by are the ones chased by the magistrates for daring to want to live. I do wonder, too, if Dollard is responding to ‘The Beast Below’ with its oddly pro-monarchist tendencies (Liz 10 is the closest that story has a to a hero, but undercover because she’s too scared of speaking out directly) and doing that story properly i.e. by showing that the rich aren’t the heroes but the villains and that the people in power are the ones who created our misery, that the haves have a responsibility to the have-notes if they’re living off the fruits of other people’s labour, whales or humans alike. It’s a very Dickensian attitude and rather than attack it directly Who does what it used to do during the days of Thatcher (especially the McCoy/Cartmel years) pointing out all the ways its wrong in another context and letting viewers draw up their own conclusions. The ‘heart’ of this story is The Doctor’s line about how civilisations are judged by how they treat the people who work under them, a message aimed as squarely at us in the present day as it is as Regency London.


Certainly Sutcliffe (a chinless wonder who even looks a bit like Cameron) is one of Who’s biggest boo-hiss baddies, with no redeeming features whatsoever (though officially he’s based on a character of the same name in ‘Hannibal’, another of Dollard’s favourite series). He might not have conquered worlds, destroyed empires or killed anyone directly, but he’s clearly amongst the word of humanity, racist bigoted loud-mouthed, arrogant and obnoxious. Usually the best baddies are the sort that are intelligent enough to go toe to toe with The Doctor but even the script describes Sutcliffe as ‘30s, snooty, pampered and rather dim’. Sutcliffe is a symbol of the uncaring world who are only out for themselves, who don’t have time to stand up for the ‘little people’ the way The Doctor always does. He’s imprisoned ‘Tiny’ (also referred to as ‘The lochless monster’ and ‘The not so little mermaid’ in Dollard’s best lines in the story) purely for fuel, feeding it the homeless and un-noticed every decade to keep the cogs of industry turning. He thinks as no one has noticed the whale and nobody will miss the unloved and unwashed poor nobody will care. But as always in Dr Who every life is sacred, from scared urchins to hundred foot whales. It’s one of the most satisfying parts of any Dr Who story seeing him get his comeuppance in a story that’s really about community, about people coming together, as represented by the way all classes have come together on the frosted over Thames (give or take the odd pick-pocket).


I love the way, too, that ‘Thin Ice’ juggles the sense of coldness with the very visual frost on the screen and the cold way these people behave towards one another. Though we’re in late Regency and Queen Victoria won’t be born for another twenty years this is the acceleration of those Victorian ideals, of society demanding you be distant to everyone around you and that demonstrating your feelings is somehow rude and uncouth. Bill is one of the most naturally expressive companions we’ve had in the series so seeing this world through her eyes, as she cuts through to the horrors that even The Doctor is immune to, really works. This is a world where children were statistically more likely to die than live so there was no point getting attached to them. You sent you children to the nanny if you could afford it or let them play in dangerous situations if you couldn’t. We’re fifteen years before policeman (‘Peelers’ after prime minister Robert Peel) so if something goes wrong, if your parents die, if you lose your job, if you’re sleeping rough on the streets or if someone steals something precious from you then there’s no one to turn to: you’re on your own. It all stems from the top though not the bottom: Sutcliffe talks about helping society through industry but he doesn’t care about his employees and certainly not the giant whale in his care. The orphaned children, though, pull together and care for one another. They’re the only people with any warmth this episode, Bill aside. And on this day, rather than living on two separate worlds, all classes come together to enjoy the novelty of ice skating over the river – the ice, ironically, thawing the tension that exists between them. It’s a real shame The Doctor doesn’t make it icy every year, as a memory of how much better it is when people come together.


Although sometimes characters don’t need a hug, just a slap. One of the best and most talked about 12th Doctor scenes happens in this story, when Peter Capaldi’s incarnation spends a long time warning Bill about the dangers of travelling in time as a Black lesbian girl in the Georgian era. She can’t re-act he tells her, no matter how rude anyone is to her, repeating a moral code he’s been talking about since he was William Hartnell, that the past is another alien place and what they considered normal back then would be wrong in your time, but it was different then and time travel is all about non-interference. Yet when they meet Sutcliffe and he turns out to be your average obnoxious racist xenophobe with money Bill remembers what she’s been told, bites her tongue and does everything the Doctor tells her to do as he talks about how different times have to be judged by different morals – then loses control and whacks the Lord one round the face as everyone in the modern audience has been longing for him to. It’s a brilliant, unexpected and very Who-y moment that tells us one thing and does another, allowing Bill to keep her composure and letting The Doctor to speak for us and prove what a big heart he has behind that brain. You sense even The 1st Doctor, the one most concerned with keeping u respectability and not re-writing history, would have cheered him on (while the ‘Doctor stealing from the market’ stalls recall ‘The Reign Of Terror’). This first go at ‘Dot and Bubble’ (where the racism is against The Doctor) gets round all the problems we had with Martha on trips back to the past (it seemed odd and out of place when her colour was commented on in stories like ‘Human Nature/Family of Blood’ and even odder when it wasn’t, in stories like ‘The Shakespeare Code’) and avoiding the ‘black girls can’t control themselves’ trope always thrown at women like Serena Williams and co. There’s also a line which we should have had years ago (and which ‘Shakespeare Code’ hinted at), that immigration has always been different here, that being part of a world empire and a country that was once invaded by Romans and Vikings means immigration has always been part of British life (another dig at Cameron, who played into the hands of Nigel Farrage and whatever his racist party was named that particular week, with the idea that immigration is a ‘modern problem’ rather than part and parcel of British life. Surprisingly The Doctor doesn’t mention that Britain was one of the few ‘first-world’ countries where the slave trade was always illegal, even before an 1807 act made it illegal it across large swathes of Europe). Everybody comes out of this scene well except one particularly slimy posh Victorian bully (of which we know there were many) and it’s notable that everyone else in the story (read: everyone poor) treat Bill as one of them. For an episode that was treading on thin ice with what it still could and couldn’t do in terms of taking history in its own terms yet still being fair to modern audiences, it’s a very clever way of making everyone happy, well everyone except intolerant right wing loonies who are watching the wrong show (give or take ‘The Dominators’ anyway). It’s deservedly one of the most talked about scenes in modern Who, one of those moments when the series really is speaking for ‘us’ and shows what little thin ice society used to be based on and how easily it can crack then – and now.


‘Thin Ice’ can’t quite match that scene with everything else though, falling just sort of being whalely great. The story itself is, perhaps fittingly, rather a thin one without the intrigue or suspense of ‘The Beast Below’. There’s a lot more talking and a lot less action, without any sub-plots to interrupt the action. It’s ‘just’ the tale of a time traveller, his new companion, a big fish and the man who’s keeping it. We do meet other people but none of them feel quite ‘real’. Scotland in space felt ‘real’ in a way this Victorian London never quite does: the street urchins and stall-holders are flat and hollow. This world looks oh so believable on screen, but it doesn’t feel that way from the dialogue. The surprisingly gruesome death of the ragamuffin ‘Spider’, dragged from above the ice, ought to be one of the most emotional moments of the series, but you don’t feel anything because he doesn’t seem real. In fact none of the urchins do: though Dollard talked in interviews about making them the ‘heart’ of this story they aren’t really – they’re just exposition dumpers who like bedtime stories. There’s no sense of what it’s really like to live on London’s streets at the mercy of the rich you secretly despise, scratching out a living picking pockets out of desperation and missing the people you love who’ve been lost to this way of life, wondering if you’ll be next. These children are way too pure and innocent, too, for youngsters who’d have been used to such a hardened life. The only thing we have to measure this world by is the contrasting reactions of The Doctor and Bill and they don’t feel quite right either. While Dollard connects to Bill far more than she did to Clara in ‘Face The Raven’. Bill’s surprised at The Doctor’s cold-hearted reaction to death, even though she’s seen it already twice (including to her own ‘girlfriend’ Heather). She’s also not the sort of character to run away, however shocked she might be, to the point of lunacy sometimes. It’s surely more in character for her to assume The Doctor will do something clever, long past the point when he can’t (and why can’t he? Does the sonic not do ice as well as wood?) It’s even less in character for Bill to turn on The Doctor, appalled that he’s lost count of all the people he couldn’t save or killed, when she’s already seen up close that he doesn’t really think like that. She should only really be losing her temper when The Doctor talks distantly about ‘moving on’ in that alien way of his. And yet when The Doctor does talk about moving on and making sure other people don’t die next, what does he do? He eats meat pies and reads fairy stories to urchins rather than tracking Tiny to the big house.
It’s all just a bit too far-fetched too, a ‘fishy’ tale even for Dr Who: I’m not sure I quite buy that Lord Sutcliffe’s family have kept Tiny quiet for generations, that no one has pointed out that they have a rather large pet that eats people all being kept in the one of the most populated towns in Europe without anyone properly noticing or doing anything about it. Even the hint that the peasants are scared of their rich landowners, well even more scared than they are today which is still quite a lot actually, blowing the whistle on this would still be safer than watching your friends being eaten and fearing being next – even if it’s the word of beggars versus toffs you’d have thought enough people would have reported it for the police to at least vaguely investigate it. While it’s true that we know more about outer space than our deepest oceans, this isn’t a deep ocean – it’s The Thames. Even at its deepest it’s a mere 180 feet and the part where Tiny is seen is probably closer to 50 feet. He can’t be far off that size himself. The Doctor alone should have spotted Tiny during one of his previous trips and even if admittedly he didn’t have a sonic yet as the 1st Doctor and was a bit, erm, distracted by River and, umm, Stevie Wonder in his 11th self it’s not like The Doctor to miss everything you can bet your bottom Silurian dollar Madame Vastra would (she was there too one year, apparently). The script makes a big play of how ‘oblivious’ Humans always are to monster invasions, yet this isn’t some tiny alien in hiding but a mile wide whale, with flashing blue lights emitted from the bulbs at the end of its head. Bill spots the lights straight away and, while granted he’s come up to have a look at the sonic screwdriver, he’s not exactly easy to hide. Someone would have seen something, especially given how many people in this period rely on the Thames for their food or jobs. It would have overturned a few canal barges for sure and this is not the first Frostfair but the last (mind you, nobody seems to have noticed the Skarasen in the Thames in the last episode of ‘Terror Of The Zygons’ either). The draft script even had a line about how Tiny had created the distinctive ‘snake’ shape of the Thames with its sheer bulk, after Moffat caught the opening titles to ‘Eastenders’ and asked Dollard if she knew why it looked like that (sadly the truth is rather dull: it’s human intervention over millennia, changing the flow to make it easier to control).


One other point: how come Tiny doesn’t eat all the fish in the Thames? Yes Sutcliffe bungs a few homeless vagrants his way every so often, but even that plan is mad: if I saw some whacking great green lights under the ice I’d be running away not heading towards them. While I’ll buy that Tiny has the sort of system that only needs to eat every few years, surely he’d have a nibble in between? Just to try? Why does he only eat people not fish? Unless of course he’s an alien species that doesn’t know fish, but then that’s the real problem with ‘Thin Ice’. Even at the end, when The Doctor frees Tiny and he presumably heads back to the sea (though goodness knows how he knows which way to go) shouldn’t having a creature that big affect the Earth’s eco-system in some way? Does the fact we get no more frostfairs result from the fact that letting this one being run around eating plankton upset the eco-balance? In which case Tiny might be (indirectly) responsible for more deaths seen on The Earth outside The Master’s interference and Dalek invasions (thanks Doctor!) No two people seem to agree on what Tiny is either: the writer specifies a monkfish in the script, but what we see in far away shots looks like a cross between a blobfish and an angler fish, while in close ups Tiny can only be a whale. Presumably it’s an alien fish (though it could potentially be an ancient fish who somehow survived intact since the days of the dinosaurs, though it would have to be especially long-lived without any other fish around to mate with); perhaps the biggest and most uncharacteristic part of the whole story is that The Doctor never stops to ask and doesn’t seem curious enough to ask. Oddly nor does Bill even though she’s a character who loves asking questions, most of them usually far less relevant than a simple ‘what even is it?’It’s not just the fish either: Sutcliffe ends up an electrical detonator on the ice that won’t be invented for another half a century (an odd mistake for a story that otherwise has gone out of its way to get so many facts right. Did they do it on porpoise?)


We get lots of talking but we don’t really learn anything. This felt particularly odd at the time after two similarly talking episodes in a row, though ‘Thin Ice’ holds up better than it did on first transmission given that we know there are more action-based episodes to come. What’s odd about ‘Thin  Ice’ in particular though is that it’s a story that feels like it needs more, that it’s somehow run out of space to tell us what we need to know despite more dialogue than usual. By her own admission Dollard was less interested in Tiny’s origins than the story of what he’s up to in 1814 and that’s a shame. We don’t even get a decent close-up of him despite the fact that what we fleetingly see looks really good, one of The Mill’s better CGI effects. This story feels as if it’s going to be a story about whether the ends can ever justify the means, in much the same way ‘Beast Below’ was but the story ducks that question. They actually cut one of the best scenes in editing too, one which sold the story’s moral even more: that Sutcliffe didn’t see any difference in using whale blubber to the way all his rivals ran their companies, with workers miners and even children doing back breaking work and dying in accidents to keep the wheels of industry turning (‘progress requires fuel and requiring it is a dangerous business’).


Some of the dialogue really falls flat too: given the theme of coldness this is the ‘wrong’ story to have The Doctor go all alien and cold. Dollard’s not good at writing for Capaldi’s Doctor, taking the character synopsis that he’s old and grumpy at face value, without the twinkle underneath (‘Face The Raven’ is even worse in that respect). The scene of him looking after the children is meant to undo all that, to show that he’s been listening to what Bill’s told him, but for that to work we need a ‘Runaway Bride’ style tag of him telling Bill she was ‘right’ and ought to remind him to care. That sense of disdain never rings true though: The Doctor snaps that ‘I’m two thousand years old and I’ve never had the time for the luxury of outrage’ but we just know that isn’t true; ever since The 1st Doctor went back to help find a truce between the Humans and Sensorites he’s been driven by outrage and correcting things that are wrong. Who is he lying to? Bill has already seen enough to see through him and this front across series ten is usually reserved for Nardole, in a promise to stay home and guard the ‘mysterious’ vault in the college basement, but Nardole’s not here. Capaldi at least looks as if he’s having fun though and looks good in the sort of stove-pipe hat his second incarnation would have loved. As for Bill, Pearl Mackie is as always terrific at being lost and out of her depth (which happens a lot in this story) but she struggles with the sort of fierce anger Clara would have made her own. Bill also has some odd dialogue too, in shock at seeing ‘the first person die in front of me’, which is technically true, but surely not all that much of a shock for someone who’s walked through a city of dead bodies and seen her ‘girlfriend’ abducted, possessed and turned into a ‘wet’ hologram. The over-long diving scenes too don’t add much: The Doctor is usually more observant than this without having to put Bill’s life in danger alongside his own and also seem more ‘fake’ than the Frostfair ones. 


Instead, the big moral debate is The Doctor leaving the decision up to Bill about whether to let the ‘monster’ go and risk killing lots of people (the same way ‘Kill The Moon’ left it up to Clara), which as well as recycling is asking too much of the ‘wrong’ companion. Clara wanted to test herself and considered herself an ‘equal’ to The Doctor, prepared to make those decisions and even she was distraught by being made to choose. The Doctor can’t ask Bill to be calm and rational (she’s not that sort of person), he’s already seen up close what it did to Clara and how trying to make her think like him killed her –in Dollard’s own story. There’s no big emotional showdown though: Bill was always going to trust the whale over Humans (she has a much lower opinion of her species than Clara) and rather than a big dramatic moment its just kind of over. Then The Tardis goes back home and we have a confusing tag scene with a cross Nardole (matt Lucas doesn’t do anger very well either, though his teenage tantrum line ‘I never asked to be reassembled!’ is a fine one) and the mystery of what’s in the vault (spoilers – why is Missy knocking rather than talking? It makes no sense when we know it’s her and most fans had guessed it would be her, or at least some variation on The Master, already). After such a slow start, which is more like a Hartnell in the way The Doctor and companion go off exploring rather than coming across danger straight away, it’s a shame that the ending is so rushed, without any full explanation.


Overall, then, this is a mixed bag of ice, a heartwarming tale in the coldest setting since the Tardis left The North Pole. Some scenes (especially the punching ones or scene setting ones) work really well, while others just fall through the ‘cracks’, without as much emotion or realism as they could have done. The idea that capitalism is built on ill-treated whale poop somehow makes perfect sense, a great idea they could have done even more with, but the story spends so long putting The Doctor and Bill at odds that it loses sight of its main target, with a rushed ending that doesn’t deliver the justice Sutcliffe deserves. There’s no one thing this story does better than anywhere else: for all its clumsy execution ‘Face The Raven’ made a serious moral point about Humans taking responsibility for their own planet where this album flops, you felt a lot more sympathy for ‘The Beast Below’ than you do for Tiny because you understand it’s situation better (and the fat it’s there by choice in the end, not slavery) while ‘Dot and Bubble’ is far braver in speaking out against racism. This is a story that’s more than just an abstract idea though: as shallow as it might sound this story looks more magnificent than almost any other story, right up there with ‘Warrior’s Gate’ and ‘Keeper Of Traken’ as Dr Who’s prettiest looking stories. This is a rare story too (along with ‘The Shakespeare Code’) that absolutely has to be set in London, rather than just happens to be set there, a love song to the city which has been a little bit overlooked since the show ended up based in Wales. It also feels very much like a Dr Who episode, which was a relief after ‘Raven’ (an episode so out of kilter with everything else it felt as if Dollard had never seen the show before). For that alone ‘Thin Ice’ deserves praise and together with the political point is nudged up a shade higher than ‘The Beast Below’, but really both stories come as a pair: flawed but watchable stories with strong but muddled moral points to make. You’re on ‘Thin Ice’ if you stop to think about this story too hard as it’s not the deepest nor the best story out there, especially in the extra-strong 10th season, but it’s hearts are in the right place. To quote some of the better dialogue from this episode, it’s up to you whether ‘passion or reason wins’. At least I had half a ‘whale’ of a time, even if ultimately ‘Thin Ice’ is another ‘one that got away’ (and it could have been so big too!)  


POSITIVES + Usually when we have ‘atmosphere’ scenes we just get the basics they can afford but they really bring out the stops for this one. There’s a mass of circus performers doing sword swallowing, wrestling, playing skittles, doing cartwheels, playing ring toss, performing magic and strongmen showing off their muscles. There are souvenir shops, pie stalls, a kebab stall, bookshops, even a pub all lovingly recreated on the ice just as there really would have been in 1814. It’s very period accurate too yet contemporary in feel, like we’ve turned up to a Christmas lights switch on.


NEGATIVES – There are some truly awkward lines in the dialogue this week. Bill’s claim that The Tardis is so suited to The Doctor ‘because it has a wardrobe full of skirts and an attitude' is just totally wrong – Bill doesn’t think like that (it’s something Clara might say though) while she simply hasn’t known The Doctor long enough for this to be true. Indeed, she spent half of ‘The Pilot’ trying to get The Doctor to take her seriously and do something, while ‘Smile’ was a quiet, peaceful story until the ending.


BEST QUOTE: Bill worrying about changing history: ‘You know what I mean. Every choice I make in this moment, here and now, could change the whole future’. Dr: ‘Exactly! Like every other day of your life’.


PREQUELS/SEQUELS: The 12th Doctor mentions to Bill that he’s been to the frozen-over Thames ‘a few times’ down the years. One of these is ‘Frostfire’ (2009), a Big Finish ‘Companion Chronicle’ by Marc Platt that centres around Vicki as she recounts a tale around a fire in Ancient Greece about how she, Steven and The 1st Doctor visited a frozen London in 1814 (the same year as ‘Thin Ice’, which hasn’t been made yet). It’s one of those bitty stories made up of good and bad parts that never quite flows: the Thames is lovingly created in sound and the story is very in keeping with Vicki’s character as she sees an egg in an old junkshop and takes it home to the Tardis to look after. The Doctor is furious: it’s a phoenix egg and the dragon could either set the place ablaze or usher in a new ice age!

 Unfortunately the story then gets too stuck in the absurd and fantastical with a weird subplot involving novelist Jane Austen that just doesn’t go anywhere. Full marks for the ending though (spoilers) – it turns out that Vicki has kept the creature safe all these years and took it with her when she left The Doctor (that’s why she was being so shifty round the Tardis in one of the few bits of moving footage we have of ‘The Myth Makers’). Odd the 12th Doctor doesn’t fill Bill on this detail really, it’s the sort of thing she’d have enjoyed (and in many ways Bill is the companion most like Vicki since she left, with the same wide-eyed innocence and idealism. At first anyway…)


Wonder what the other visits to the Frost fairs were? Well there are no full books but Madame Vastra, Strax and Jenny had a day out at the Frost fair in a throwaway line in the 12th Doctor novel ‘Silhouette’ (2014) by Justin Richards. Oh and according to ‘A Good Man Goes To War’ the 11th Doctor took River there for a date once too, with Stevie Wonder (!) So that’s three Doctors, a Silurian and a Sontaron kicking around – it’s a wonder the ice holds under all that weight… 


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